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Hi All,

I will start at the begining!

I received the following information from a marriage cert

Andrew Forsyth Michie (father Andrew ~ seed merchant)
&
Lizzie Davies (father John ~ coachman)

married at St John Baptist Church Chester on 24th Dec 1912

witnesses were
Archigald Johnston Michie
&
Ada Mary Thompson

from this information I found this family in 1901 cencus
with no Lizzie but she was there in 1891

Name: John Davies
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Rhodes, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Malpas
Ecclesiastical parish: Malpas St Oswald
Town: Malpas
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Household Members: Name Age
Ada M Davies 25
Charles Davies 11
Elizabeth Davies 48
John Davies 54 Groom Domestic
Tom Davies 17

1891
Name: John Davies
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Rhosdder, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Malpas
Ecclesiastical parish: Malpas
Town: Malpas
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Household Members: Name Age
John Davies 42
Elizabeth Davies 38
Ada M Davies 15
Emily A Davies 12
Ralph J Davies 10
Tom Davies 7
Lizzie Davies 5
Charlie Davies 1


I have followed the family back and in 1881 Jane Groom is head of the house and John is son in law

So I have followed her (Jane Groom) back and also found that
John Davies married Elizabeth Bebington ~I have sent for the marriage certificate.

In the 1871 cencus Elizabeth is listed as Grandaughter and in 1861 nursery to Jane Groom.

I am trying to find a connection between Jane Groom and Elizabeth but can't seem to find 1 I have been searching for a couple of days and wondered if a fresh pair of eyes may shed some light!

Thankyou

Kirsty

Here the 1851....I'd say Jane was a bit too old to be Elizabeths Mum........Maybe 1 of Jane's daughter is Elizabeths mum and Jane raised her

Have you Elizabeths M/C or B/C

Jane Groom
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Braddon Wellington, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Malpas
Town: Malpas
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wrexham
Sub registration district: Hope
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Cartwright 32
Thomas Clutton 10
Daniel Fowles 30
Emma Groom 28
Ephraim Groom 22
Henry Groom 16
Jane Groom 60
Thomas Groom 60
Thomas Groom 26
William Groom 19

Hi Julie,

on 1871 cencus it says Jane is Elizabeth's grandmother.

i am waiting for the marriage cert to arrive and have not got a birth cert yet as there seem to be a few born around that time!!!

Also in 1871 cencus there is a John Davies living with them but he was born in Liverpool not in Wales as mentioned on later cencus for him!!!

I have this horrid feeling that on her marriage cert there will be no father named!!!

I never looked at the 1871 cos on the 1881 John was down as SIL

I have looked for an Elizabeth Beddington & couldn't see one, nor one for Groom

her marriage is Bebington in 1875

edit
I am just going to do the school run I will be back just after 3

x

Think im going mad as i can't find her marriage

Now i know why i was spelling her surname wrong doh lol

OK....i won't be about till later as i have the same as you then its dinner

n

For ref the marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1875 (>99%)
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ANKERS Martha Whitchurch, S. 6a 1339
BEBINGTON Elizabeth Whitchurch, S. 6a 1339
BICKLEY William Whitchurch,S. 6a 1339
DAVIES John Whitchurch,S. 6a 1339

Elizabeth lists her birth place as Tattenhall in the 1881 census ang this birth is in the Reg District that covers Tattenhall - there is also a birth in the June quarter, but it has the same ref no which is rather strange - Have not checked the actual images


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Births Mar 1852 (>99%)
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BEBBINGTON Elizabeth Gt Boughton 8a 328

ohhhhhh thanks K,

I will have a look

x

K,
just looked at original and the June quater is crossed out and marked Mar 1852

Excellent - have just returned home and was going to check it - It did seem strange. Do post details when the marriage cert arrives!

As Elizabeth listed her birth as Tattenhall I checked the images for 1851 the year before she was born and found only one female Bebbington in the village - Mary Bebbington aged 33 unmarried, a pauper who was born in the village. She was a lodger with William Speen and family. Just a thought but could she be Elizabeth's mother?
Kayx

Thanks Kay,
and yes I will it is due tomorra ~ fingers crossed!!!

Kirsty
X

Right the marriage cert has arrived!!!

25th April 1875
John Davies ~ 27yrs
Elizabeth Bebington ~ 22yrs Spinster ~ Daughter of a Farmer ~ Well Street Malpas
Father ~ Joseph Bebington (deceased) Farmer

Witnesses were
Henry Groom
Margaret Alinou?

Kirsty

Found this Joseph in 1851, in the general area, whose father in a farmer, but I can't see him at the moment in 1861


Name: Joseph Bebbington
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Hatton, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Hatton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub registration district: Tattenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Barnes 14 Farm Servant
John Bebbington 69 Farmer
Joseph Bebbington 29 Listed as married to Mary
Margaret Bebbington 65
Mary Bebbington 30 Daughter in law
Thomas Bebbington 24
Ellen Davies 2 Niece
Jane Dutton 16 Servant
Thomas Partington Farm Servant 18

K,

on the marriage cert there is also the name
William Andrew Cartwright ~ and underneath Registra but this is in with the witness details??
Joseph Sutton is the Minister.

I have been trying to find the link all day and nothing!!

Also if you follow Joseph Bebington (who is deceased on the certificate) in the 1871 cencus there is a Ralph Bebington living with him in Well Street but he is not with Jane ~ who also lives in Well Street. I am 99% this is Jane's husband.

This one is very confussing

Kirsty
X

n

I didn't see Joseph in 1871, but gave up with 1861 having drawn a complete blank - will check tonight. Is the Jane you refer to as possible wife of Joseph - Jane Groom?

K

K,

in 1851 cencus Thomas is Jane's husband???